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“What They Call Love”—Sexuality in Charedi Society

Considering how Charedi society can better address sexual assault requires us to have a better grasp of our view of sexuality generally. The lack of ‎this understanding can lead to a well-intentioned internalizing of values foreign ‎to our core beliefs.

Sivan 5782 / June 2022

Several sexual assault scandals within Charedi society, and specifically the Walder affair that left the community shellshocked, have led many to think we are now entering a “Charedi MeToo” era. On social media, at the very least, everyone seems to be bracing himself to see who will be outed next as a predator. The framing of the course correction on sexual assault as a “Charedi MeToo” may seem to be just trendy terminology; yet, words certainly matter, and they go a distance toward determining actual communal policy.

In the present article, I will argue that this vogue framing misaligns with core beliefs of Charedi society about sexuality and public discourse. The result is harmful to efforts at correcting the most sensitive of injustices.


The MeToo Era

The MeToo movement is a feminist social movement interested in changing how men and women interact with one another in western society. It emerged from within a broader ideological framework centered on human rights, especially the right to equality. The MeToo movement seeks to write a new, more egalitarian contract governing the social treatment of men and women, and, more specifically, how men treat women.

As part of forming this new contract, movement activists publicize harmful behavior by men toward women, with the aim of enlisting the subsequent public uproar to establish new norms of sexual interactions. The movement’s activists are aware that mob responses to these exposés sometimes lead to other kinds of injustices, such as trials in the public square that harm accused parties without sufficient evidence, or which punish them excessively given the nature of the offenses. These, however, are justified as an unfortunate but probably inevitable side-effect of pursuing a worthy cause.

Moreover, supporters of the movement claim that supplementing the formal, stringent procedures of criminal trials with the tools of popular protest is essential for promoting the just cause of women. Such procedures are simply too gradual and demanding, and what’s needed is broader social change right now. In addition, when it comes to harassment, it’s often hard to obtain testimony that is admissible in court. And who says criminal justice is the only species of justice out there? Social justice matters, too, and the process of improving norms includes changing behavioral patterns for which the criminal justice system is not the appropriate tool.

The MeToo movement has met with many successes in recent years, as well as occasional backlashes. It has led to a lively public discussion of sexual assault and the proper relations between the sexes, and its reach has now extended even to the relatively cloistered Charedi community. Charedi “social activists” have taken it upon themselves to be the bearers of the “Charedi MeToo” message and change attitudes towards sexuality in Charedi society.


The Charedi MeToo

Within the context of the MeToo movement, the attitude of the Charedi community towards sexual assault is seen as problematic. The Charedi public doesn’t talk about sexual matters much in general, and, the argument goes, even when sexual assault is exposed, the matter is hushed up and “dealt with” within the community, denying victims justice. The Charedi community is therefore seen as uninterested in dealing with sexual assault, preferring to hide its head in the sand and think that this phenomenon isn’t widespread. Another more serious argument is that when powerful people are the perpetrators, the Charedi system of communal authority is enlisted to help them, rather than their victims.

These arguments are raised by internal and external critics, who have a great deal of presence on social media. These critics argue that “sunlight is the best disinfectant” and favor ending the secretive, discreet approach to dealing with the issue favored by Charedi leaders. Unsurprisingly, calls for greater transparency and external involvement in addressing sexual assault are coupled with attempts to undermine traditional authorities. Our present leaders, the critics believe, have simply failed at their basic responsibility to protect the vulnerable and redress the grievances of victims.

The critics of the current Charedi approach demand two main changes. First, the issue should be a matter of discussion by the usually fastidious Charedi public. Handling harm under the radar, critics claim, allowed for scandals to be covered up––and, perhaps, for others not to be discovered in the first place. From now on, these matters should be aired in public. In addition, critics seek to change how accused parties are treated. If until now things were often just “cleared up” by Charedi leaders with an offender, now there’s a demand for legal authorities to become involved, for the offender’s actions to be strongly, publicly condemned, and for the community to sanction offenders more seriously.


Dialogue of the Deaf

Heightened awareness about the need to deal with sexual assault is a great blessing. It contributes both to rendering justice to victims and preventing future abuse. However, today’s discourse is unfortunately characterized by superficiality and binary thinking, and Charedim jumping on the MeToo bandwagon can fall victim to assumptions of which they are unaware and which could undermine their own way of life.

The way in which society treats sexual injustices derives from prior assumptions about sexuality’s place in human life. The secular public handles sexual assault as it does because of the enormous place that sexuality plays in human life. The increased interest in sexual harassment in western society is but only one aspect of sexuality’s centrality to western life, which is expressed in education, cinema, literature, and music. A person’s “sexual identity” is seen as one of the core characteristics of their personality. Indeed, the very concept of “sexual identity” expresses this new status of sexuality: sexuality becomes “identity,” something that defines a person’s essence.

To think about how the Charedi community should better deal with sexual assault, we need a firmer grasp of our own communal philosophy regarding sexuality. Unawareness of the assumptions underlying our policy towards assault leads to the injection of foreign views into the Charedi community, albeit out of a well-intentioned desire for justice. A dialogue of the deaf results. On the one hand, we find activists leading a charge for mending our mishandling of assault cases, often driven by an enormous sense of urgency. On the other hand is the broader Charedi community, which does not always understand what all the fuss is about. The latter is worthy of condemnation in the eyes of the former for its indifference and ostrich-like behavior, while the former group is often seen as a “pursuer” (rodef) in the eyes of the latter, with its zeal for condemning Charedi society as negligent at best and abusive at worst.

I do not claim here that Charedi handling of sexual assault is ideal. Far from it. Certainly, there is ample room for improving the handling of assault and our approach to sexuality in general. But however we settle those important practical questions, we surely need to be aware of the sources from which present Charedi conduct derives.


Authenticity and Sexuality in the Secular World

Oftentimes, the intense occupation with sexuality in western culture is presented, certainly in our education system, as light-headed and licentious. From the perspective of Torah values, there is a great deal of truth to this. “How can we converse with them?” the Chazon Ish once lamented according to a famous anecdote. “After all, what they call love, we call kares.” The Charedi individual looks at the very conception of secular sexuality as a moral perversion.

Secular westerners view their own approach to sexuality as deadly serious. If the Torah world considers liberated sexuality as the domain of the “evil inclination,” a great deal of western energy is invested in promoting and satisfying just such desires. For the western secularist, sexuality is something that cannot be compromised; it is an area of one’s life that justifies striving for maximal realization and fulfillment. Personal neglect towards one’s sexuality is seen as an offense against an essential aspect of one’s life.

In western secular thinking, a person’s sexuality is one of the most significant expressions of “authenticity.” To clarify what I mean, I will quote the late sociologist Peter Berger’s article dealing with modernity’s changes to the concept of “honor.” Berger distinguished between the pre-modern world, in which “honor” in the social sense was the foundation of man’s conception of his value, and the modern world, in which another conception of honor arose, which we know as “human dignity”:

[I]n a world of honor, the individual is the social symbol emblazoned on his escutcheon. The true self of the knight is revealed as he rides out to do battle in the full regalia of his role; by comparison, the naked man in bed with a woman represents a lesser reality of the self. In a world of dignity, in the modern sense, the social symbolism governing the interaction of men is a disguise. The escutcheons hide the true self. It is precisely the naked man […] who represents himself more truthfully.

Berger is pointing out a deep difference between the premodern and modern sense of selfhood, embodied most profoundly in a person’s attitude towards his own sexuality. In the pre-modern era, a person’s sense of value derived from his social role: knight, king, head of household, subject, slave, child. In our language, we would say that what gives him importance and meaning is his lineage and his society-defiled role. The different contexts in which a person is placed, his family and blood ties, his communal, religious, and national ties, as well as his position in the social fabric create his identity, the way in which he conceives of himself, and therefore also how he appears in his relationships with others. In this conception, a person is never an isolated individual charging himself with meaning from within. The isolated individual, indeed, lacks identity or meaning in this sense.

Modern man, by contrast, believes his value to be internal and intrinsic. The idea of “human dignity” means a person’s value lies within, detached from social contexts. Modern man thus aims not to be defined by social frameworks, which he sees as external and artificial. The familial roles and contexts are not what he considers part of his internal essence, and therefore cannot constitute his “true” identity. Society strives to create conditions in which every individual bases his or her identity on individuality and uniqueness. There is nothing necessarily wrong with social affiliations, but they cannot form an identity––especially if they’re unchosen. On the contrary, those who identify themselves exclusively with their social roles will be considered inauthentic. The phrase “social construction,” serving today to justify the dismantling of traditions and accepted customs, clearly reflects the deep disdain secular man has towards any purported source of meaning not supplied by a person’s internal self.

In western, secular society, a man whose life is filled and shaped by adapting to the norms of his family and whose success is constituted by forming a family as part of a community is engaging in self-denial for the sake of external social conventions. However, from the pre-modern perspective, which remains the situation even today for much of Charedi society, those conventions are part of what shapes a person’s “self.” Consideration of such matters is not a “sacrifice” for an external value and is obviously not a denial of our “self.” On the contrary, a person who leaves behind family and community norms in favor of an “inner authenticity” is considered a failure. The Charedi individual forms his sense of selfhood through affiliation with the community (among other things), an affiliation involving specific patterns of behavior and ways of life.


The Role of Sexuality: Between Need and Self-Fulfillment

These differences have direct consequences on our attitude toward sexuality, as Berger himself notes. In a world where social honor is central to the important foundation of the “self,” sexuality is considered marginal, if not inferior. Social honor does not necessarily require a negative attitude towards sex (which Charedim, depending on group belonging, sometimes have—a subject for discussion elsewhere), but it does require a reduction in its centrality relative to the secular, western view. Sexuality is placed relatively low on the list of basic elements that make a person’s life meaningful, since as such it only belongs to one of man’s social roles—that of a relationship with a spouse.

By contrast, in the view of modern society, where a person’s sense of his own value derives from a unique and internal individual sense of selfhood, sexuality is among the most important spheres of self-formation. In all other fields of activity, a person takes on various garbs and masks in the form of his different roles, but these serve merely as a cover for his basic self—his true, internal identity. Sexuality, by contrast, is seen as an expression of independent selfhood. In this sense, sexuality also becomes a symbol: a symbol of human passion, of breaching boundaries, of beauty, of the depths that bubble up in the heart of every human being.

As such, we find a great deal of attention paid in popular culture to the idea of “sexual awareness,” “improving sex lives,” and the like—not to mention the modern-day extent of sex education (which has provoked the so-called “don’t say gay” Florida bill for early elementary schoolers). Workshops in this spirit have made an entry into Charedi society, bringing in their wake the modern attitude that sexuality is a meaningful and important element in human life, worthy of cultivation and cherishing.

Perhaps it is only natural that this should happen, as Charedi society modernizes and shifts; and perhaps it is not a bad thing. My point, however, is that it was certainly not true of Charedi society in the past.


Attitudes to Sexual Assault

The attitude to sexual assault is a product of how sexuality is perceived. When it comes to liberal western society’s attitude to sexual assault, four main points are worthy of mention:

  1. The severity of the problem: There is a consensus that this is the most serious problem around, and that sexual assault, even when not amounting to rape, involves unbearable emotional harm with long-term consequences.
  2. The definition of the problem: The scope of what counts as sexual assault is constantly being expanded. Today people even speak of “retroactive” harm, an experience of harm that arises when the situation is reconstructed at some later date.
  3. Level of containment: Sexual assault is considered a crime that cannot be contained. Any means necessary must be deployed against offenders to prevent them from causing future harm, including harming their livelihood, name, and family. A sex offender receives the least forgiveness and empathy of any criminal, even murderers.
  4. Intensity of the struggle: In light of the above, the common approach is that an uncompromising war must be fought against sexual crimes, even at high costs. The morality against sex crimes is a morality of war that justifies such collateral casualties as family members, mistaken identification, and so on.

We can quibble about the precise nature of each of these statements, but we can likely agree about the general character and the clear difference between this approach to sexual assault and that of Charedi society—a point that emerges every time a sexual scandal erupts within Charedi society, and which leaves many non-Charedi observers baffled. For our purposes, cultural difference is key.

In a world in which sexuality expresses a person’s sense of selfhood, sexual assault and harassment, even if relatively light in its severity, is not just an insult or pain but harms the victim’s very being. Subsequently, the level of sensitivity is infinitely high. A crude comment to a woman is no longer simply vulgar social conduct but an assault on her sense of selfhood. As such, the character of the struggle against sexual assault becomes aggressive and justifies the payment of public and personal costs. This is an existential struggle for human dignity, not just the enforcement of puritanical morals.

But while this struggle makes perfect sense within the western liberal framework, this is far from the case within the Charedi mindset. The Charedi conception of personhood, and therefore its conception of sexuality, is much closer to the premodern approach described by Peter Berger. Of course, the Charedi world is not a detached bubble. It interacts a great deal with the modern world, and there are elements within Charedi communities that are deeply modernizing. Yet, to make a broad generalization, there remain profound gaps concerning basic assumptions about what is more central to human living and what is less.

The Charedi individual is largely a product of his environment: a member of his community, family, nation, and of course the covenant with God. Virtue in Charedi eyes is first and foremost loyalty to God and His Torah, represented by the observant Jewish community. The Charedi sense of selfhood is not based on the revelation of an individual’s internal authenticity but rather largely through a commitment to his various communal contexts. He finds his sense of selfhood primarily within the social-religious fabric, and less so in the personal, internal sphere.

This gap in self-conception is a deep one with many consequences. In the present context, the one I wish to highlight is the place of sexuality in a person’s self-conception of value. In the Charedi world, sexuality does not play the same role as it does in the secular space. Within Charedi society, sexuality is not the more central and important part of a person’s sense of his value, to say the least. It is true that most communities attribute importance to healthy and positive sexuality within marriage. But while awareness of the importance of sexual health has significantly increased in recent years, there is still broad agreement that sexuality is not one of the formative factors in a person’s life.

Halachic requirements alone require concealment of sexuality and its restriction to very limited times and places. For a person living a life of holiness and purity, following all rules and strictures of halacha, sexuality will necessarily occupy a limited part of his life. Sexuality is thus seen as something that should not be neglected, but not as critical to a person’s basic personality. As noted, this is not due to a neglect of the “good life” but rather a different understanding of personhood, in which sexuality occupies a much less important place in the formation of the self.

The attitude toward sexual assault in the Charedi space derives from the Charedi approach to sexuality outlined above. I do not deny that there are shameful coverups and improperly handled cases, and these need addressing. But it is essential, even in considering how to address the severe issues that require attention, to understand the underlying attitude, which derives from the fact that sexuality lacks a formative role in shaping us. Even sexual crimes are not seen as something special. I believe this is why sexual crimes are not seen as being more heinous than other severe injustices, and why dealing with them is not considered a top social priority.

The existing consensus in the west regarding the severity, the urgency, and the importance of handling sexual assault does not exist among Charedim. This is not because Charedim don’t care about women or are insensitive to the suffering of the weak, but because sexuality has traditionally been somewhere on the spectrum between a “human necessity” and a “low and base necessity.” For this reason, sexual injustice is not special among injustices. As such, sexual assault is not considered a special attack on human dignity but is instead akin to other forms of cruelty. In light of this, we can appreciate the different attitudes of Charedi society regarding the costs that can and should be paid for a more open discourse or using more stringent approaches toward suspected offenders.

The different conception of the severity of sexual assault leads to a relative diminishment of the sanctions applied to perpetrators. Charedim do not view sexual crimes as uniquely reprehensible, and so are not willing to pay uniquely high costs to redress them. In the struggle against sexual assault, broader considerations are made of the costs of punishing offenders (innocent accused parties are likely to be caught up), of preventing future harm (trusting relationships are harder to form if people are taught to see themselves foremost as potential victims), of sex education (which can undermine accepted modesty standards), and so on. Moreover, sexual assault is not automatically considered justification for destroying a person’s public standing.

For many liberal outsiders of Charedi society, all of this is anathema. But for those on the inside, especially those who are older and less familiar with modern values, it is almost obvious.


And What of Victims?

But what of the victims? If we are a good society, how can we be so uncaring toward the suffering of victims of sexual assault?

While I do not take this question lightly, and it is more than possible that some internal-Charedi reform is in order, I want to raise—with requisite caution—the following thought. It is possible that the centrality of sexual identity in liberal society raises the likelihood that victims will see themselves as defined by the experience of sexual assault. This, in turn, will also impact the level of pain and suffering, especially for cases of assault and harassment far from the extreme side of the spectrum, and will make the process of rehabilitation that much harder.

We are used to the statement whereby “we are more aware today of the deep and unrepairable damage of sexual assault,” and there is room to ask: Is this only because of heightened awareness and sensitivity that our ancestors did not possess, or does our newly-found knowledge also derive from the modern emphasis on sexuality as defining to selfhood? If sexuality is the deepest expression of my own identity, it stands to reason that sexual assault strikes at the heart of our very being.

Charedi society offers a far richer array of values that define selfhood. It may be that the Charedi community’s broad, social conception of the self makes it easier for victims to live meaningful and healthy lives. If less value is placed on sexuality, then less of a person’s inner self is perceived as having been injured by sexual assault, and the process of rehabilitation becomes, perhaps, somewhat less arduous.


The secular approach to sexuality is not without merit. We can certainly appreciate the contribution of heightened sexual awareness to happy marital lives. Yet, the merit comes with a price tag, and some of the sexual distortions we know of liberal society today seem to be inevitable consequences of its general approach to sexuality. I also don’t claim that the Charedi approach to sexuality is perfect and flawless. This article does not mean to deal with questions of good and bad, but rather to understand the roots of the different approaches.

The takeaway from this article is that collectively accusing an entire public of being deniers and insensitive is not beneficial and, more importantly, is incorrect. Moreover, adopting the language and form of liberal society’s handling of sexual assault involves the internalizing of western sexual mores and human self-conception, something which is not necessarily desirable within Charedi society.

Proper handling of the issue of sexual assault within the community should be done out of an awareness and understanding of the Charedi conception of sexuality. If we decide that we want to change our conception of sexuality itself, and accept the liberal understanding thereof, then we need to say so explicitly. If we respect the traditional Charedi approach and do not wish to dramatically change it, we need to accept that handling assault will be neither as totalizing nor as dramatic as it is among the general public.

18 thoughts on ““What They Call Love”—Sexuality in Charedi Society

  • Perhaps one can formulate the following-If you have learned Seder Nashim even on a superficial Daf Yomi basis, you will see that Chazal did not flinch from discussing sex and gender . One can argue very cogently that Chazal rejected Greco Roman hedonism and Christian celibacy and monasticism and emphasized sanctification of the mundane in every aspect of human life. One can argue as the Nesivos maintains that physical intimacy between a husband and wife is the consummation of how HaShem expects a husband and wide to act, and that the alternatives of the clearly over sexualized secular culture whether as seen improperly on line or you are exposed to in the clearly secular society we live in is the antithesis of how we are supposed to act and deal with sex and gender

  • One theorizes as much as one can, but the behavior of Litzman on behalf of his rebbe to protect a molester, the exile for a period of time of a major Talmid Chacham from Lakewood, the defense of Kolko by a prominent rabbi, equating abuse with penetration, etc. etc. reflect a problem that has shown minimal signs of receiving proper attention.

    While the modern orthodox communities have publicly expressed regret for past sins, even by major figures, no such behavior has occurred in the Hareidi community in Israel or abroad. Halakha demands acknowledgement of sin to initiate the repentance process. That initial step has not yet to occur in Hareidi society. Explanations of why are interesting, but do not substitute for what is required.

    Me-too is irrelevant to what occurs; the level of abuse was recognized well before the Me-too movement.

  • At a time when the Haredi community is beginning to acknowledge that sexual abuse exists and that victims have not been supported, an article that claims that it is the sexual values of the secular community that is the real problem is dangerous. It promotes complacency and justifies coverup. Sexual abuse is a scourge that doesn’t differentiate between religious and secular, traditional and modern communities. Abusers are female as well as male and victims boys as well as girls. Me too and feminism are not relevant here. Awareness of the extent of the problem came with the exposure of the extent of covering up by the Catholic church of abuse of boys and girls by priests. The writer should contact one of the organizations that helps victims to get an accurate picture of the impact on their lives and their ability to remain observant.

  • Yes, people view assault on their body as an assault on themselves. It is psychologically impossible to separate oneself from one’s body, to divorce the soul from its physical vessel. That is why people will always view sexual assault as an assault on their core being. You are free to deny it till you are blue in the face — psychology is a science and science doesn’t care. Haredi society tries to live as if people’s bodies are not part of their identity. Hence 100500 humrot and the whole social structure is devoted to control that very body that you claim is not important to anyone’s identity.

  • Hiding behind so called conceptions of sexuality that are different than the secular public’s is nothing more than apologetics for the failures and corruption of the haredi leadership. It is quite disappointing to say the least. We do now know that sexual assault, especially of children does cause deep trauma and damage to their psyche. This is something that is known in the Torah, consider the episode in Shmuel ב, Tamar’s reaction to the sexual assault by her brother. Offenders have been protected because of corruption and not enough education for damage done to victims. Any other excuse is nothing more than a further cover up. This article is morally disgusting and insulting to haredi Judaism.

    • Agreed that this article is deeply troubling. While I am in general a fan of apologetics in general – explaining X to soothe the feelings of Y – because that creates shalom in the world – here we have a potentially toxic “explanation” of why sexual abuse is “no big deal” within the frum community.

      My yardstick for the appropriate application of apologetics is when the upside far outweighs the downside and truth or another major value is not endangered. Here both truth and the concept of avoiding harm are endangered.

      Aside from the fact that i truly believe the hashkafa is off – historically, sociologically, halachically and spiritually.

  • The young author seems to be good at writing conceptual essays, but doesn’t seem to have a good grasp of the abuses which have been going on for the last decades in the Chareidi community.
    Victims were not allowed to go to court, their reputation was destroyed and their family shamed, where even their siblings were unable to find a shidduch or a good yeshive.

    This is still going on. Please tell me how “MeToo has gone too far” when none of the issues have been solved.

  • The only thing correct in this article is that frum society is so messed up on this issue because people like the writer inhabit it. The metoo movement was literally invented by Tamar and the Gemara gives high praise to her for publicising her sexual assault and actually instituted Yichud BECAUSE she came out and said me too. (It happened to me too – a princess and it can happen to anyone )- these are the Gemaras words not mine. Look it up. But now you say it’s a modern feminist concept. Yes, the problem is people like you.

  • “The way in which society treats sexual injustices derives from prior assumptions about sexuality’s place in human life. The secular public handles sexual assault as it does because of the enormous place that sexuality plays in human life.”

    Um, no. Sexual assault is a crime. It is a violation of another person. The Humash itself compares rape to murder. In my opinion, this author needs to move away from his keyboard and do some in-depth study, to say the very least.

  • It is really unfortunate that you cannot comprehend something so fundamental as the damage that sexual violence does to its victims. There is a reason that systematic rape is so often used against women in war. I would rather have my head bashed in a thousand times than be raped. That has nothing to do with modern views of sex. It’s such a fundamental violation that has such traumatic physical and emotional consequences that it is difficult to put into words. And to make matters a million times worse, purity culture puts the onus of sexual violence on women, even in Judaism. So, if anything, it hearkens back to medieval, if not ancient, views of women and children as the property of men and the sexual violation of them as a personal affront to a man’s property. It shames us and blames us, even if we are covered from head to toe. So, yes, perhaps you would prefer to return to the treatment of women as property and the violation of women (and children) as being more of a violation of a man’s personal property. I am so sick of this view. I am nauseated by the profound ignorance and cruelty espoused by this author. And many orthodox women are demanding that we live by the principal, ‘Justice, justice you shall pursue,” and many secular women have given up all together on ever expecting any kind of justice from religious institutions. We, as people representing our faith, have helped to create the very modern culture that you so eloquently try to contrast with orthodox Judaism. And, no doubt, for pushing back I will not doubt be labeled a “feminist,” even though I have spent the better part of my life in the American haredi community, because that is how backwards we are. The views in the haredi community today are different from the most extreme forms of Islam only in degree, not in principle. How sad and tragic for our bnos Torah, bnot Melech.

  • Chas v’shalom that our alternatives are either accepting secular amplification and aggrandizing of sexuality to the pinnacle of one’s identity or believing that ” sexuality has traditionally been somewhere on the spectrum between a “human necessity” and a “low and base necessity.”” !!

    Since when is that the Torah view?!!

    Is it necessary to bring all the sources for the significance of sexual health from Torah, both outlined by the positive and negative commandments – and clarified in divrei Chazal?Not to mention the entire structure of nistar which conveys how significant the creative force of male and female is – as above, so below.

    These are crucial, fundamental aspects of health and wellbeing, and while we go to such lengths to ensure this health through our frum lifestyle choices, it is shocking that the author infers that sexual crimes are no big deal because we, frum Jews, have more important aspects of our identity. Huh??!

    Just because the larger world has turned towards an increasingly corrupted relationship with sexuality, why let them hijack the discourse, when it is at the core of human experience, the glue to cement the marital bond, a source of joy and vitality, and the superpower of our creative potential?! Yes – animals, too, procreate, but they don’t create sentient beings with souls.

    I rememeber when a frum publisher asked an editor to remove the word “love” from a certain sefer on hilchos niddah because the term had been warped by Hollywood romanticism – that is horrible. Should we cede the field to the distorters rather than uphold a Torah view of love?

    So – i disagree with the author that what he describes is a valid Jewish approach to sexuality. Then to use that as a valid excuse for being soft on sexual crimes is one distortion set upon another distortion. Perhaps therein lies a clue. Or several.

    It is hard to understand whether the author is tone deaf because he is merely too cerebral and trying to parse a very “experiential” topic merely intellectually, or if he is just insensitive to the suffering of others.

    Thank goodness for the article by Nir Stern.

    • I, too, was surprised that the author characterized the Chareidi perspective as “sexuality has traditionally been somewhere on the spectrum between a “human necessity” and a “low and base necessity.””
      I was taught by my Chareidi rebbeim that sexuality is a central force in the relationship between husband and wife. Probably everything that characterized the nature of man and woman, psychologically and spiritually is going, to be reflected in their marital intimacy, Marital intimacy has a huge potential and is the metaphor for the loftiest relationship between us and G-d.
      If there are Chareidi Jews who believe it’s only a human necessity at best, or lowly and base at worst, they (and their chosson/kallah teachers) need to upgrade their education by taking a good course in shalom bayis that are given regularly and discreetly by people with reliable approbations.

  • Rabbi Winter, please could you give us the sources for your points, such as teshuvos, pieces from any hashkafa seforim, links to shiurim, psakim from rabbonim you have heard, daas Torah, etc etc etc, or, lhavdil, any research articles, surveys, even just anecdotal evidence of people you have spoken to who have had encounters that the secular world would define as abuse but, as per your article, ‘not seen as something special’

    You have made some bold claims and given that fealty to daas Torah is a doctrinal part of Charedi identity, please can you share us these Torah sources.

  • This is ridiculous. The charedi community is heavily defined by its relationship with sexuality, perhaps more than the secular world is.
    So much energy, on a personal and collective effort, goes into separating the sexes, dressing so as to avoid causing lust, etc etc etc, into being pure – that sexual assault is certainly at least as damaging for charedi girls on average.

    Thinking of oneself as a victim likely makes things worse, but that is victim mentality which is a seperate cultural illness in the secular world (I hope it is less prevalent in the charedi world but don’t know).

    Just comparing how each culture’s relates to sexuality itself, the charedi culture makes sexual assault worse, and should take it more seriously, not less.

  • While its totally true that Cheredi attitute towards sexuality influenced our response to sexual abuse but not in the way this article envisions it. There are many more prominent Cheredi attitudes that has lead to our current situation, one can point to, the one the author chose to focus on seems to me to be peripheral at best.

    Partial list of attitudes that I think are far more consequential.

    1) sexual crime is not seen as a violation one another human beings right but as a sin towards GOD, something that can be atoned for, a personal matter between man and god, why destroy a person good name. let him do Teshuvah. Human right are is something liberals busy themselves with, not us.
    2) Not enough public awareness of the pain, damage sexual abuse can inflict (even on Cheredim..perhaps even more so!) since this is something we don’t speak about. So Cheredi society is not aware of how serios this is. Its something thats out of sight out of mind till Chas V’sholom it happens to you are someone you know.
    3) children are not seen as fully entitled to right vs respected authority figures. A Rebbe, teacher, parent, adult is to be respected, not questioned, is always right. The child is to be obedient, never argue with, never resists, just comply whit whatever adults say
    4) Torah leaders, educators, torah Scholars are above reproach, how can they even be accused of such crimes, this only happens by Chelonim, by Goyim, by liberals, by seculars. Not by us.
    5) Mistrust in secular courts and secular justice, our society is best, having secular courts mete out justice for FRUM criminals is a contradiction and anathema to the cheredi worldview.
    6) It will create a chilul hashem. Our community is just so wonderful and perfect, this doesn’t happen “by us”. when the unspeakable happens we can’t face it, its hard acknowledge
    7) Destroying the predators family. The sad reality is that in our society we tend to also punish the children of abusers. Once one is accused of sexual assault NOBODY will be “meshadech” with them, this basically destroys an entire family, so in our quest to “save” the criminals’ children we hide the whole thing an “deal” with it quietly. Our society is built on “family prestige” and its unfair to bury a whole family for one father’s transgressions.

    8) Loshon horah. We elevated the sin of loshon hora to a lofty perch. So we hide scandals and crimes. It’s a sin to speak loshon hora. If its not mentioned in the Cheredi press and not spoken about, IT ODES NOT EXIST, you can’t marshal a community into action to address and fix a hot potato crisis that DOES NOT EXISTS.
    9) Cheredi society tends to protect children under a censorship “innocence” bubble. Speaking about sexual crimes and making children aware of the issue will destroy their innocence and purity. Better that they don’t know, secrets, secret everywhere.
    10) Rabbis are the go to solution to all communal issues. Housing, parnasa medical, chinuch, phycological wellbeing, and of course sexual abuse. The fact is they never trained to deal with these issues and the track record shows. Rabbis have has the “sexual abuse /assault case for the last 60 years. Rabbis are not the solution or the people best suited to solve every communal problem

  • Only in the secular word, women must be respected. Only in the secular modern world, there are laws against rapes. Feminism was made in the enlightened and modern word. Just read Simone de Beauvoir. I am a feminist man and I want women to be as free as I am. Just because I have compassion for every human being.

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